The Application Security Podcast’s Episode List2018-08-24T04:54:42+00:00

Episodes List

1011, 2019

Marc French — The AppSec CISO

Marc French is a security person, firearms geek, scuba guy, lousy golfer, and an aspiring blacksmith. We met Marc in the hallway at the Boston Application Security Conference. Marc has extensive experience as a CISO but came from the world of AppSec to the exec suite, which is not the normal path. We discuss what is a CISO, and what does a CISO actually do, the role of AppSec in the life of the CISO, and tips Marc has for those that wish to become a CISO someday. We hope you enjoy this conversation with Marc French.

2610, 2019

Season 5 Finale — A cross section of #AppSec

Threat modeling, secrets, mentoring, self-care, program building, and much more. Clips from Georgia Weidman, Simon Bennetts, Izar Tarandach, Omer Levi Hevroni, Tanya Janca, Björn Kimminich, Caroline Wong, Adam Shostack, Steve Springett, Matt McGrath, Brook Schoenfield, and Ronnie Flathers.

2809, 2019

Ronnie Flathers — Security programs big and small

Ronnie Flathers is a security guy, a pentester, and a researcher. In this conversation, we explore his experiences in building application security programs. He’s had the opportunity to program build inside of companies big and small.

1509, 2019

Brook Schoenfield — Security is a messy problem

Brook Schoenfield is a Master Security Architect @IOActive and author of Securing Systems, as well as an industry leader in security architecture and threat modeling, and a friend.

“We have a static analysis tool. Why do we need a program?” This is what Brook overheard at one point in his past, from a company CTO, and it sums up the program issue. The CTO was trying to drive a technical strategy for an entire company, and security was just one piece of that. A mandate or a tool would have made life so easy.

Brook takes us on a journey based on his experience building programs, with advice, stories, comments, and quotes. We talk about architecture, culture, mindset, tools, compilers and so much more.

Catch Brook’s next book, “Secrets of a Cyber Security Architect” which arrives in Fall 2019.

Here is Brook’s first book on Amazon: Securing Systems: Applied Security Architecture and Threat Models




509, 2019

Liran Tal — The state of open source software security

Liran Tal is a Developer Advocate @snyksec and is the author of Essential Node.js Security. He takes #opensource and protecting the #web very seriously.

Liran and I start by geeking out about BBS’s in the days of old. SYSOP page, anyone? Then we go into the state of open source security based on the report that Liran contributed heavily to and discuss many of the key takeaways from that report, including the developer response to open source security, security vulnerability rates in docker containers, and the length of time that vulnerabilities lie dormant in open source. We close out with the three things Liran would do to improve open source security if he could only do three things.
2708, 2019

Steve Springett — An insiders checklist for Software Composition Analysis

Steve Springett is a technologist, husband, father, entrepreneur, and tequila aficionado. He is the creator of the OWASP @DependencyTrack and @CycloneDX_Spec. In this conversation, we begin with the problem of software supply chain risk and the failures of commercial Software Composition Analysis tools. We then go through an extensive list of criteria for purchasing a software composition analysis tool. I have never seen a list like this ever shared anywhere in the industry. Steve is definitely in the know when it comes to these types of tools, and this is a detailed checklist of what he looks for in a tool.  We end with a 60-second update on Dependency Track.

2508, 2019

Steve Springett — OWASP Dependency Track — 5 Minute AppSec

The question is for Steve Springett, in regards to Software Composition Analysis / Software Supply Chain and OWASP Dependency Track.

1908, 2019

Elissa Shevinsky — Static Analysis early and often

Elissa Shevinsky is CEO at Faster Than Light. She’s had a storied career as an entrepreneur with Brave, Everyday Health, and Geekcorps. We discuss Elissa’s origin story, security startups, and the value of mentoring to her career. Then we get into Static Analysis and how we make security easier for people so that security gets done. 

1408, 2019

Elissa Shevinsky — Be Kind, Security People — 5 Minute AppSec

Robert asks Elissa Shevinsky, why should people be nice, or why is niceness important in security?

508, 2019

Matt McGrath — Security coaches

Matt McGrath is an old school Java developer that made the transition into security. Matt has had success in rolling out a programmatic approach to security improvement called security coaching.

A security coach is much more than a wellness or life coach for your developers. They have some commonalities, but the security coach is thinking about how you help the developer want to get better at security. In his experience, developers are not going to kick and scream away from security but will embrace it when asked.

The job description for a good coach does not require a development background. The biggest thing you need is a passion for security. Communication is one of the most important things for a coach to have as well, and technical skills do not hurt.

We hope you enjoy this conversation with Matt McGrath.

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2907, 2019

Erez Yalon and Liora Herman – The Application Security Village @ DefCon

Erez Yalon and Liora Herman are both passionate security professionals. They joined forces to create the AppSec Village, an event at DefCon in Las Vegas. If you are in Vegas for BH/DC, stop by the village and say hi to Robert, who will be in attendance as well.

2907, 2019

Erez Yalon – AppSec Village – 5 Minute AppSec

It’s BlackHat and DefCon season, so we asked a question of Erez Yalon; why did you start the AppSec Village?

1907, 2019

Tommy Ross — The BSA Framework for Secure Software

Tommy Ross serves as Senior Director, Policy with BSA | The Software Alliance. In this role, he works with BSA members to develop and advance global policy positions on a range of key issues, with a focus on cybersecurity, privacy, and market access barriers. Tommy is one of the coordinators/collaborators on the BSA Framework for Secure Software.  This document caught our attention when it came out a few months ago, as it is a reliable representation of all the pieces an organization needs for software security. Tommy shares with us some of the background stories on how this document came to be, and also walks through the various pieces contained within.

If you’d like to comment or collaborate on this document, it is available in the review form at

The PDF is available on the BSA website:

1007, 2019

Adam Shostack — Threat modeling layer 8 and conflict modeling

Adam Shostack is a leading expert on threat modeling, and a consultant, entrepreneur, technologist, author and game designer. He’s a member of the BlackHat Review Board and helped create the CVE and many other things. He currently helps many organizations improve their security via Shostack & Associates, and advises startups. Adam is known for his work with threat modeling. In this episode, we take threat modeling to a whole new level as we explore the idea of threat modeling layer 8 or human beings, and explore the concept of conflict modeling.

You’ll find Adam’s conflict modeling work on GitHub.

907, 2019

Adam Shostack – Threat Modeling – 5 Minute AppSec

If you’ve done anything with threat modeling, you’ve heard of Adam Shostack. We asked him the question, “why would anyone threat model?”.

107, 2019

Zoe Braiterman — AI, ML, AppSec, and a dose of data protection

Zoe Braiterman is an Innovation Intelligence Strategist focused on both the Machine and Human and also the OWASP WIA Chair. We explore the intersection of application security with artificial intelligence and machine learning and end up discussing data protection. Zoe approaches AppSec from a different angle, and her perspectives get us thinking about the importance of appsec in the future of autonomous everything.

1406, 2019

Caroline Wong — Self-care and self-aware for security people

Caroline Wong has had a long career in security, starting with eBay and leading to her role today at Cobalt.IO as Chief Strategist. Caroline shares her explanation of self-care and tells her story about how neglecting self-care led to problems. She offers ideas about how to better approach self-care as a security professional, work-life balance, and ways for approaching a successful career in security.

106, 2019

Björn Kimminich — The new JuiceShop, GSOC, and Open Security Summit

Björn Kimminich is the project leader for OWASP JuiceShop. This is his second visit to the podcast, and we discuss new features in JuiceShop, including XSS in jingle promo video, marketing campaign coupon hacking, GDPR related features and challenges, working 2FA with TOTP, and the DLP failure challenges. Then we get into the cool new things that will come as a result of the GSoC, where a developer will add new functionality to the JS where new vulns can be hidden. We end discussing the upcoming Open Security Summit from OWASP.

2605, 2019

Björn Kimminich — JuiceShop — 5 minute AppSec

Björn Kimminich is the project leader for OWASP JuiceShop. He created JuiceShop out of necessity, after reviewing all the available vulnerable web apps years ago, and not finding what he needed. OWASP Juice Shop is probably the most modern and sophisticated insecure web application! It can be used in security training, awareness demos, CTFs, and as a guinea pig for security tools! Juice Shop encompasses vulnerabilities from the entire OWASP Top Ten along with many other security flaws found in real-world applications!

2105, 2019

Nancy Gariché and Tanya Janca — DevSlop, the movement

Nancy Gariché and Tanya Janca are two of the project leaders for the OWASP DevSlop Project. As we learn more about DevSlop, we realize that it is much more than a project: it’s a movement. DevSlop is about the learning and sharing of four awesome women and is a platform for them to share what they’ve learned with the community.

DevSlop consists of four different modules:

  1. Patty – An Azure DevSecOps pipeline
  2. Pixi-CRS & Pixi-CRS-ZAP are two Circle-CI pipelines that demonstrate adding a WAF to your pipeline for automatic tuning before moving your apps to prod
  3. Pixi is an intentionally vulnerable app and consists of a vulnerable web app and API service,
  4. The DevSlop Show, a video streaming series where project members build things live, interview members of the OWASP and InfoSec community, and learn where they fit into DevOps.

We hope you enjoy.

Find Nancy, Tanya, and DevSlop on Twitter.

2005, 2019

Tanya Janca — Mentoring Monday — 5 Minute AppSec

Tanya Janca is excited about mentoring. She’s started a hashtag on Twitter for mentors to find mentee’s, and for mentee’s to search for mentors. Mentoring is such an essential part of growing our community, so if you are not mentoring anyone today, I can only ask, why not? Here is Tanya’s take on mentoring and her advice on how to get involved with #MentoringMonday.

5 Minute AppSec is an AppSec Podcast experiment with micro-content. Hit us up on Twitter and tell us what you think, @AppSecPodcast.

1305, 2019

Matt Clapham — A perspective on appsec from the world of medical software

Matt Clapham is a product security person, as a developer, security engineer, advisor,  and manager. He began his career as a software tester, which led him down the path of figuring out how to break things.   Matt lives in the medical software world and visited the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society (HIMSS) conference. Matt shares his perspectives on application/cybersecurity through the eyes of the healthcare industry. There is much for us to understand by viewing how other segments approach security and privacy. Matt believes in stepping outside the echo chamber and experiencing how other industries see security, and he achieved that by visiting this non-security conference and sharing his experiences with us. (And if he visits your booth at an event, you better know how your companies make a secure product or solution!)

605, 2019

Jon McCoy — Hacker outreach

Jon McCoy is a security engineer, a developer, and a hacker; and a passionate OWASP advocate. Maybe even a hacker first. Jon has a passion to connect people and break down barriers between hackers and corporate folks. Jon explains the idea of hacker outreach and breaks down what we can expect if we venture to the DefCon event in Las Vegas.  Jon also remembered a cautionary tale of Robert’s Fitbit out at a DefCon event. Jon is someone we can all learn from about giving back to our community.

105, 2019

Omer Levi Hevroni — K8s can keep a secret?

Omer Levi Hevroni has written extensively on the topic of Kubernetes and secrets, and he’s a super dev. He’s the author of a tool for secrets management called Kamus. Kamus is an open source, GitOps, zero-trust secrets encryption and decryption solution for Kubernetes applications. Kamus enables users to easily encrypt secrets that can be decrypted only by the application running on Kubernetes. The encryption is done using strong encryption providers (currently supported: Azure KeyVault, Google Cloud KMS, and AES).

Find Omer on Twitter to converse about all things K8s and secrets.

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