Welcome to season 3 of the podcast. In this episode, Robert and Chris interview Kevin Greene from Mitre. We discuss an article Kevin wrote about shifting left and explore codifying intuitions and new projects at Mitre that will bolster the knowledge of your developers and testers. Kevin brings up the lack of true results from the SAST and DAST tools on the market. He brings an interesting perspective, having focused on research and development in his time at DHS. We enjoyed the conversation, and look forward to having Kevin back again in the future!